Coronavirus Hysteria

CCarter said:
We're not even touching on the drug use in broad daylight... What are you guys doing over there?
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Is that not normal in major cities? Maybe I've become numb to it and it feels normal now. Here in philly, Kensington is basically the Hamsterdam/Amsterdam from the tv show The Wire.
 
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EyesExist said:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...ves-investment-from-mastercard-300995877.html

You guys heard about this stuff?

It's supposedly being used/practiced in South Africa ... and will be some crazy shit where the government can do things like 'predictive policing'

https://greatgameindia.com/bill-gates-vaccination-based-digital-identity/

This is some interesting stuff.
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Of course,

Many of us have been saying for more than a year now stuff like this would be rolling out.

The pandemic was not about a disease, but about future control and influence.
 
Have you guys gotten the vaccine? I got my first dose a month ago and had no side effects, but with the increased attention on myocarditis lately I'm iffy on getting a second dose (I'm 24- right at the end of the "at risk" group). I've known about this issue for months now (Israel reported on it) but the issue is still pretty prominent even with the increased sample size.

(Mods can just remove my post if this is a subject they'd prefer not to be discussed here, BTW)
 
Not only will I not get the vaccine, but if there are any attempts to lock down in the autumn, then I'm leaving permanently for a country/state that is still free.

If they have lockdowns after people are vaccinated, then I will take that as the final proof that we're about to enter the medico-tech tyranny.

As of now, I am not yet completely sure that is the case. It could potentially just be a big scam by the pharma and political class, like swine flu. If they do lockdown again, with a 99,99% survival rate, then I'll know I was wrong and they're about to go dystopian.

There ARE a couple of places that resist, Florida, Sweden, Tanzania. Name them if you like.
 
I dont need a vaccine. I'm healthy.
Known plenty of people who 'got it ' and it was just another flu> People in their own household didn't even get it.
 
A lot of people have forgotten how bad the flu hits you as an adult. I had the flu in 2018 and for a day, at its worst, I was legit worried I would die. I called my doctor and he just said "sound like the flu bro".

If I called with these symptoms today, maybe I get admitted to hospital, all kinds of bs gets going. Contact tracing and all that.

Covid is a bit more dangerous than the flu for the elderly, but absolutely harmless to the below 50. The current IFR (infected fatality rate) is now something like 0.01%, because of old people haven gotten vaccines.
 
I had Covid in Dec this year, I was actually sick for a solid month. My wife got it, drove her to the hospital when she was struggling to breathe in the kitchen. I've had bad adult flus but they usually only knock me down for 2-3 days. I was shocked at the long duration of Covid in me, I normally go years at work without taking sick days, at worst I get a runny nose every year or two. The thing with covid is probably 90% get it mild or asymptomatic, 10% get it bad, 2% get it hospitalization bad, 0.5% get it fatal.

The standard covid advice was go seek medical help if you are struggling with shortness of breath, this can be potentially fatal and nobody wants to end up in the ICU. But the real life covid ward doctors at the hospital ran chest xrays, listened to the chest and sent her home saying its just part of Covid, it sucks but she's not going to die so just deal with limited breathing. It absolutely affected my breathing too. I'm better now, but struggling to breathe for a month was not the same as the flu.

We mass vaccinated in Canada and I'm in Alberta and it's Canada Day and we're more or less free now. All restrictions removed, only like 60 cases yesterday or something (down from like 2000 a day about 1.5 months ago). Vaccines obviously work, but believe whatever you want. I work in construction with a bunch of 20-30 something conspiracy bros. None of them will get it either, somehow I was just the unlucky one to get it bad and I knew it was no joke from the start, but I got it and the idiots chinbagging masks got off scott free (most of them). And since everyone else did the work of achieving 70% first dose vaxx rate we get to open back up again and listen to them say "I told you so"
 
4potato said:
I had Covid in Dec this year, I was actually sick for a solid month. My wife got it, drove her to the hospital when she was struggling to breathe in the kitchen. I've had bad adult flus but they usually only knock me down for 2-3 days. I was shocked at the long duration of Covid in me, I normally go years at work without taking sick days, at worst I get a runny nose every year or two. The thing with covid is probably 90% get it mild or asymptomatic, 10% get it bad, 2% get it hospitalization bad, 0.5% get it fatal.

The standard covid advice was go seek medical help if you are struggling with shortness of breath, this can be potentially fatal and nobody wants to end up in the ICU. But the real life covid ward doctors at the hospital ran chest xrays, listened to the chest and sent her home saying its just part of Covid, it sucks but she's not going to die so just deal with limited breathing. It absolutely affected my breathing too. I'm better now, but struggling to breathe for a month was not the same as the flu.

We mass vaccinated in Canada and I'm in Alberta and it's Canada Day and we're more or less free now. All restrictions removed, only like 60 cases yesterday or something (down from like 2000 a day about 1.5 months ago). Vaccines obviously work, but believe whatever you want. I work in construction with a bunch of 20-30 something conspiracy bros. None of them will get it either, somehow I was just the unlucky one to get it bad and I knew it was no joke from the start, but I got it and the idiots chinbagging masks got off scott free (most of them). And since everyone else did the work of achieving 70% first dose vaxx rate we get to open back up again and listen to them say "I told you so"
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I am sorry you had to go through that my man. Sounds terrible. Hopefully, both you and your wife have recovered properly.

Consider yourself lucky, I just buried a close relative after he took all the precautions, went to the hospital on time, and had all the lifesaving medications.

Covid gripped him like the devil, messing with his lungs and eventually failing his organs. If only he had gotten the vaccine which he couldn’t because they were only giving it to the high risk people.

I’m fully vaccinated now and after what I saw happen to him, I’m thanking my fucking lucky stars. I don’t want the Darwin award.

It is also not just about dying, the timing of your infection will also play a huge role in your perspective towards Corona. If you are one of the unlucky ones who get sick during a nasty wave, you’re in for the experience of a lifetime. Medicines will run out, oxygen will become scanty, doctors won’t have the time to personalize your treatment, and in the end, your death will most likely be just a statistic.
 
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4potato said:
I've had bad adult flus but they usually only knock me down for 2-3 days.
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I had the flu in 2018, which was the first time in 15 years that I came down with the flu.

I was sick and in bed for 10 days, with a peak of day 3-4 where I legit thought I was going to die. I also felt weak and out of breath for a month afterwards.

Flu is hardcore, most of us are just immune to some degree.
 
It's been an interesting 18th+ months but at what point do we start checking people into mental institutes?

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I don't care which side of the argument you are on, vax or anti-vax, red or blue, conservative or liberal, republican or democrat - we're seeing an INCREASE of "unusual activity" that can be classified as mental illness or some sort of mental breakdown. Perhaps it's been caused by lockdown, I think it's more likely the media on both sides.

I can't imagine the conversations in 18 more months of where we will be at, but I think this sums up where we are heading:

 
CCarter said:
It's been an interesting 18th+ months but at what point do we start checking people into mental institutes?

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I don't care which side of the argument you are on, vax or anti-vax, red or blue, conservative or liberal, republican or democrat - we're seeing an INCREASE of "unusual activity" that can be classified as mental illness or some sort of mental breakdown. Perhaps it's been caused by lockdown, I think it's more likely the media on both sides.

I can't imagine the conversations in 18 more months of where we will be at, but I think this sums up where we are heading:

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That lady is going to be me in another 2 months at this rate and I don't even have a reason for wanting the lockdown(s) to end. The constant thought process of "how are we going to get screwed next week" is what's exhausting.
 
CCarter said:
I don't care which side of the argument you are on, vax or anti-vax, red or blue, conservative or liberal, republican or democrat - we're seeing an INCREASE of "unusual activity" that can be classified as mental illness or some sort of mental breakdown. Perhaps it's been caused by lockdown, I think it's more likely the media on both sides.

I can't imagine the conversations in 18 more months of where we will be at, but I think this sums up where we are heading:
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The way I see it, and this has been my pet internet genius theory for several years.

What we're seeing is religious projection.

It's what I call the human religious instinct.

These people, these mask wearers, but also some of the progressives, they're puritan religious people.

They have that religious instinct, it burns strong.

100 years ago they would have been hardcore christians, but today it doesn't exist. Their desire for submission and moral righteousness hasn't gone away.

You're seeing insane people, I'm seeing Westboro Baptist Church.
 
DanielS said:
The constant thought process of "how are we going to get screwed next week" is what's exhausting.
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Why not turn off the TV and media if it's exhausting? No one can make you anxiety or fearful, that's what you do as a reaction. Disassociate with anyone that talks nonsense - left or right. Just focus on your goals.

bernard said:
100 years ago they would have been hardcore christians, but today it doesn't exist. Their desire for submission and moral righteousness hasn't gone away.
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You know what putting it through that lens it makes total sense. They need something to submit too. What I see is people want someone to blame for everything - their health, their finances, their family, etc and then tell them what to do, they want leadership and to "give up" responsibility. They shy away from it at all costs. But when they see outliers they get very angry that outliers aren't submitting like them.

What's submissions? Vax, Anti-Vax, red or blue, employee or employer. It's fascinating watching how a majority of people continue wanting to be a part of a crowd so they can fit in and be liked.

It's a nonstop us versus them, whoever them are. Today it's Covid, yesterday it was Trump, yesteryears it was black versus white, before that it was Obama. At a certain point you have to step back and think - this shit has to be on purpose. Keep the audience lulled and fighting amongst themselves while you make money and take more and more control.

The saying holds true, the people in power are the people you can't criticize.
 
Mental health is just getting so messed up by our modern world.

The other day I was listening to something from a few years ago talk about the invention of the ATM. The general theme was how we as humans biologically need to be around other humans for our happiness and mental health. But we are building a world to be the opposite of that because that's what we *think* we want, ie the ATM.
 
miketpowell said:
Mental health is just getting so messed up by our modern world.

The other day I was listening to something from a few years ago talk about the invention of the ATM. The general theme was how we as humans biologically need to be around other humans for our happiness and mental health. But we are building a world to be the opposite of that because that's what we *think* we want, ie the ATM.
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Yes, that's true, and it's happening with the goal of increasing "efficiency" and saving time on mundane tasks, but for a lot of people, mundane tasks used to be social tasks as well. Meeting someone every day to buy groceries, having a chat etc.

This digitalization and efficiency optimizing is something that is driven and benefits the managerial class in the cities, who are doing well socially and economically, but it hurts the elderly, the lonely, the weird, people who don't plan their socializing like that.
 
miketpowell said:
The general theme was how we as humans biologically need to be around other humans for our happiness and mental health.
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I was listening to a great explanation by Jordan Peterson on how as humans we outsource "sanity" by interacting with other humans. This made me think of all the people that are inside all day - hermits, and how they've veered off the deep end in things. Just normal human interactions re-aligns your sanity with others. And I mean real interaction with people in real life, not through a screen.

This is one of his explanations of how we outsource sanity:


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Now really think about all the "weirdos" and people that live lonely lives where they are isolated for hours, days, or weeks at a time from other humans. They veer off the track. Then they get pummeled with social media, news, and all the garbage vying for their attention, and since it gives them something to do, they easily succumb. And now here we are, an increasing deterioration of the social fabrics cause mental health is getting destroyed.
 
bernard said:
The way I see it, and this has been my pet internet genius theory for several years.

What we're seeing is religious projection.

It's what I call the human religious instinct.

These people, these mask wearers, but also some of the progressives, they're puritan religious people.

They have that religious instinct, it burns strong.

100 years ago they would have been hardcore christians, but today it doesn't exist. Their desire for submission and moral righteousness hasn't gone away.

You're seeing insane people, I'm seeing Westboro Baptist Church.
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This was all predicted by Carl Jung in his Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious series.
We are all born with primordial images that permeate everything we do and say and think. You cannot suppress something that goes back to a time that we don't even understand. In fact, the more you attempt to suppress it, the more it will reappear in another more damaging form.

Take, for example, the archetype of the god child or the child hero. Then look at how children like Greta Thunberg are deified.

The archetype of the wise old man - Fauci - has his reputation raised to godlike standards by the atheist "I fucking love science" community. Even science itself has become some sort of mythological being, some singular force when it is anything but. "Trust the science" vs "In God we trust" : are these really that different?

Religions play on these primordial images. At least they created a strong foundation and united a community to focus on building something greater than themselves. Say what you want about Christianity but there is a lot of wisdom there that remains true to this day.

Many people have given up on all autonomy and submitted themselves to materialistic desires. Good for us as marketers, bad for us as humans. One only needs to look at Australia to see where other countries could be heading.
 
The U.K. is at it again...

"Taxing employers is easier politically. They don’t have many votes. But employers’ national insurance is a tax on jobs. Tax more employment and you get less of it.

Sunak has announced more than £40bn of tax increases this year, nearly two-thirds of which will be borne by business in the form of higher corporation tax and national insurance. That may be good politics, but at a time when Brexit has made it more important than ever that the UK is business-friendly it is almost certainly bad economics.

And that takes me to a final axiom. Over the past 50 years, there have been many “radical reforming” Budgets. Tax rates have risen and fallen, new taxes have been created, old ones abolished. But throughout this period the tax take has been stubbornly stable. No chancellor has managed to get tax receipts above 34.1 per cent of national income. Sunak’s announcement assumes a tax take not seen since the days of postwar austerity. Forgive me for thinking this could yet prove a mirage."

Source: Raising UK national insurance levy is good politics but bad economics​

Why does this author sound like they want MORE taxes? What in the world can you gain by increasing takes above 34% for income, meanwhile you are competition with 3rd world countries for jobs and businesses.

The Brexit part baffles me, because the author clearly knows business will simply leave or relocated to tax havens, and once again the employees/workers/middle class will have to shoulder the burden. Business can afford to move, countries, continents, where ever - workers not so much.

Apparently 2/3rd of the new taxes will be on business. These politicians are making it more difficult to BE a business in the UK let alone do business. They're going to have a serious surprise in the next few years. More outsourcing, less UK employees, and so on.

The interesting thing is this comes AFTER they increased corporate taxes to 25% earlier in March/April:

LONDON — British Finance Minister Rishi Sunak announced Wednesday that U.K. corporation tax will increase to 25% in April 2023 as the government looks to restore public finances in the aftermath of the Covid-19 pandemic.

In his Budget statement Wednesday, Sunak said the changes would take effect after the Office for Budget Responsibility, a public body that provides independent forecasts, expects the economy to have returned to its pre-Covid level.

“Second, I’m protecting small businesses with profits of £50,000 ($69,816) or less, by creating a Small Profits Rate, maintained at the current rate of 19%,” Sunak told the House of Commons. “This means around 70% of companies – 1.4 million businesses — will be completely unaffected.”

Above £50,000, a taper will be introduced so that only companies with profits of more than £250,000 will be taxed at the full 25% rate.

UK hikes corporation tax to 25% as pandemic support hits £407 billion​

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I can't even start to imagine what owning a business is like in New Zealand at the moment...

At times I wonder if the people that are putting these policies in place to taxes businesses more and "hinder" businesses - have they ever owned a business themselves?
 
CCarter said:
Why does this author sound like they want MORE taxes? What in the world can you gain by increasing takes above 34% for income, meanwhile you are competition with 3rd world countries for jobs and businesses.
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I'm bullish on tax havens for this reason. Or 'low tax countries that aren't technically tax havens'. The socialists are out in full force right now. Watch Australia, Canada, NZ and of course most of the Eurozone. Basic income for all, the door has been opened by Covid.

We set up a service to help people start companies, get residence, buy houses and so on, just before covid hit. Demand has easily increased 3x since then as anyone with a bit of sense can see the tax man coming. Someone has to pay for all this easy money!
 
National Guard Called in... to drive school buses

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Employees "Quitting jobs" has been at an all time high. What a lot of people aren't aware of is those people that were getting Federal weekly checks, they weren't counted as "unemployed". Those checks have dried up on September 6th, so we'll see a scramble for the people to get jobs AND/OR see the unemployment numbers spike in the next round.

We've has reports of Nurses quitting, waiters/waitresses quitting, and any hourly wage person quitting cause there are better opportunities. Now new reports starting coming in when the school year started off school bus drivers were quitting. They are primarily quitting cause of the mask mandate being forced upon.

In Chicago, they were trying to get Uber and Lyft - yes, I kid you not (pun intended), to get the students to class. Unfortunately Uber and Lyft have some sort of policy of not allowing anyone under the age of 18 years old to ride without an adult. A bit odd since I see kids getting into Ubers all the time, but I guess that's their "official" policy: School bus driver shortage in Chicago prompts $1,000 payments to families and calls to Uber, Lyft

There was another twist where one government was giving money to parents to drive THEIR KIDS to school! Imagine getting paid to drive your own kids to school. My mom would be laughing cause all the times I missed the bus and she had to drive me.

Bus drivers are in such short supply that EastSide Charter School in Wilmington, Del., is offering parents $700 to drop off and pick up their children for the school year. Pittsburgh Public Schools, which needs more than 400 drivers, is delaying the return to classrooms by two weeks.

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The irony, administrators say, is that many school districts are unusually flush with cash from pandemic stimulus funds, but they are struggling to find staffers and supplies. It shows how money alone isn’t solving schools’ needs as they try to return to normal.

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Instead, he said, he’s funneling his transportation budget to students’ families, offering them a stipend for shuttling their kids to and from school. So far, parents of roughly 155 of the school’s about 500 students have signed up.

“I wish I could use that money for buses, but I can’t because we don’t have drivers,” Bass said. “It’s one more economic ripple from the pandemic.”

The hiring challenge, economists and school administrators say, is twofold: Many schools are adding more janitors, teachers, school nurses and bus drivers to accommodate smaller and more socially distant groups of students. At the same time, many of those workers are in high demand in other — often higher-paying — industries.

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But many sectors are still having trouble finding workers, some of whom are reevaluating their tolerance for low-paid, high-contact work amid suddenly more competitive pay options in other industries.

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“I’m seeing things I’ve never seen before,” he said. “Sometimes, if they’re really short-staffed — like if a bus driver calls out in the morning — schools are sending messages like, ‘Sorry, we’re not going to be able to pick up kids today.'”

Source: Schools are paying parents hundreds of dollars to drive their own kids amid bus-driver shortage​

And now we arrive at an interesting solution, Massachusetts has called in the National Guard to drive students to school: Massachusetts Calls On The National Guard To Mitigate A School Bus Driver Shortage

Wow. Who could have anticipated that people might just quit when you attempt to force your will/ideas onto someone.

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